1 00:00:12,250 --> 00:00:06,150 you 2 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:18,880 [Music] 3 00:00:22,870 --> 00:00:20,510 so if we look at the planets in the 4 00:00:25,179 --> 00:00:22,880 solar system we see we have the 5 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:25,189 terrestrial planets on the smaller side 6 00:00:29,470 --> 00:00:28,130 we have Mars and Venus and Earth and so 7 00:00:31,630 --> 00:00:29,480 on these planets the atmosphere 8 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:31,640 represents a negligible fraction of the 9 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:34,460 bulk mass of the planet and if we go up 10 00:00:38,470 --> 00:00:36,320 to size scale the next largest planets 11 00:00:41,140 --> 00:00:38,480 that we see are the ice giants Neptune 12 00:00:42,729 --> 00:00:41,150 and Uranus and in the solar system we 13 00:00:45,130 --> 00:00:42,739 have nothing in between these two bodies 14 00:00:46,959 --> 00:00:45,140 that's not the case around other stars 15 00:00:48,940 --> 00:00:46,969 and so we'd like to know it's how big 16 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:48,950 can a planet like the earth be before it 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:50,750 becomes something more like Uranus or 18 00:00:56,020 --> 00:00:52,610 Neptune where it has that very thick 19 00:00:59,529 --> 00:00:56,030 atmosphere that is an important factor 20 00:01:00,940 --> 00:00:59,539 in the both mass of the planet to answer 21 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:00,950 that question we first have to consider 22 00:01:05,889 --> 00:01:04,369 how atmospheres form on planets and so 23 00:01:07,270 --> 00:01:05,899 there are three main ways you could form 24 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:07,280 an atmosphere on a planet the first 25 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:09,470 being volatile delivery which we see 26 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:10,970 here where you could have comments or 27 00:01:14,830 --> 00:01:13,130 volatile richa meteorites that come in 28 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:14,840 you impact on the surface and over time 29 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:16,630 you can build up oceans in an atmosphere 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:19,880 via these impacts the second option is 31 00:01:23,350 --> 00:01:21,890 this outgassing and if we look at the 32 00:01:25,660 --> 00:01:23,360 earth today we see that volcanoes 33 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:25,670 outguess lots of gases like co2 and 34 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:27,710 water vapor and on young planets this 35 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:29,810 can be much more efficient where you can 36 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:31,310 have magma oceans that cover the entire 37 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:33,290 surface of these rocky planets and you 38 00:01:37,780 --> 00:01:35,630 could out get oceans and atmosphere on 39 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:37,790 very short timescales and so this is 40 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:39,770 probably how the earth formed its 41 00:01:43,630 --> 00:01:41,180 atmosphere of shortly after formation 42 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:43,640 and the third option is this disk 43 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:46,130 accretion and so this is where you have 44 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:47,329 the disk from which the star on the 45 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:49,640 planets are forming and you have planets 46 00:01:53,740 --> 00:01:50,930 that are able to accrete hydrogen and 47 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:53,750 helium directly from that disk when they 48 00:01:57,670 --> 00:01:56,090 form so Jupiter and Saturn likely formed 49 00:02:00,069 --> 00:01:57,680 via this process and were able to 50 00:02:01,749 --> 00:02:00,079 accrete large quantities of hydrogen and 51 00:02:03,460 --> 00:02:01,759 helium from the disk before it 52 00:02:05,399 --> 00:02:03,470 dissipated even Neptune and Uranus 53 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:05,409 likely accreted a fairly substantial 54 00:02:11,289 --> 00:02:08,570 amount of this gas but it turns out that 55 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:11,299 even the smallest planets can accrete 56 00:02:14,380 --> 00:02:12,950 this hydrogen and helium from the disk 57 00:02:15,970 --> 00:02:14,390 before it dissipates and you only need 58 00:02:17,590 --> 00:02:15,980 to be about one-tenth the mass of the 59 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:17,600 earth which is about the mass of Mars 60 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:19,610 and you can start a creating hydrogen 61 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:21,110 and helium directly from the disk before 62 00:02:23,890 --> 00:02:21,890 it dissipates 63 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:23,900 and so we call these atmospheres proto 64 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:24,780 atmospheres 65 00:02:29,059 --> 00:02:27,360 on rocky planet and they could be 66 00:02:30,590 --> 00:02:29,069 thousands of bars at the surface so 67 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:30,600 these would be very hot atmospheres 68 00:02:34,670 --> 00:02:32,640 which could be very puffy and and light 69 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:34,680 and extended and if you think about the 70 00:02:38,990 --> 00:02:36,420 modern earth as being the size of an 71 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:39,000 apple the Earth's atmosphere would be as 72 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:40,530 thick as just the skin on that Apple so 73 00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:42,510 very small but if you think about an 74 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:43,830 earth-like planet with a proto 75 00:02:47,330 --> 00:02:45,300 atmosphere like this the atmosphere 76 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:47,340 could extend many times the radius of 77 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:49,350 the planet outwards so if you were an 78 00:02:52,010 --> 00:02:50,850 observer of one of these planets and you 79 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:52,020 were to look at say an earth-like planet 80 00:02:56,090 --> 00:02:54,239 with a proto atmosphere you wouldn't see 81 00:02:57,380 --> 00:02:56,100 a rocky planet what you would see is 82 00:02:59,300 --> 00:02:57,390 something that looked more like Jupiter 83 00:03:01,670 --> 00:02:59,310 in terms of density but it would just be 84 00:03:04,340 --> 00:03:01,680 much less massive and since we're 85 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:04,350 focused on habitability these planets 86 00:03:08,570 --> 00:03:06,930 are not habitable and any way that I 87 00:03:10,070 --> 00:03:08,580 could imagine the temperature at the 88 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:10,080 surface would be much too hot for liquid 89 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:15,090 water to exist in to exist and so if we 90 00:03:19,820 --> 00:03:17,730 look at the available exoplanet data if 91 00:03:21,229 --> 00:03:19,830 we if we look at these these planets 92 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:21,239 these small mass planets that we see 93 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:24,239 down here on the lower portion what 94 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:25,769 we're seeing in this plot is mass versus 95 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:27,510 radius so each of these dots represents 96 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:29,700 an exoplanet and if we make the 97 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:31,290 assumption that all planets initially 98 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:32,850 formed with proto atmospheres and we 99 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:34,380 said there's no real barrier for them to 100 00:03:38,539 --> 00:03:36,450 form so if we assume that all planets 101 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:38,549 form with those atmospheres then we 102 00:03:42,229 --> 00:03:40,170 would expect all planets to form along 103 00:03:44,330 --> 00:03:42,239 this hydrogen line here or close to it 104 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:44,340 and each of these lines you can think of 105 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:46,230 as a contour of constant density so 106 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:48,510 planets that are on this hydrogen line 107 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:49,860 have a lot of hydrogen and helium in 108 00:03:53,420 --> 00:03:52,110 them water is the blue line and planets 109 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:53,430 which you see right here is the earth 110 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:56,010 and Venus on this rocky line right here 111 00:04:00,590 --> 00:03:58,650 those are the rocky planets and so we 112 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:00,600 see here is that we only have these 113 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:02,760 low-mass planets that are falling off of 114 00:04:06,620 --> 00:04:04,410 this hydrogen line towards this rocky 115 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:06,630 composition and if we look at the zoomed 116 00:04:10,370 --> 00:04:08,670 in version which is just a low match the 117 00:04:12,860 --> 00:04:10,380 low mass region of this same plot down 118 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:12,870 here the largest rocky planet that we 119 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:15,510 see is this 55 Cancri E and that's about 120 00:04:20,449 --> 00:04:17,970 eight to ten Earth masses and the radius 121 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:20,459 on that planet is in a 1.6 1.7 Earth 122 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:22,440 radii and this plot is a little bit 123 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:24,210 dated but even if you were to put the 124 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:26,070 latest exoplanet data on here the same 125 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:28,650 trend is visible or this entire portion 126 00:04:33,890 --> 00:04:31,350 of this plot is empty we don't see these 127 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:33,900 large mass rocky planets that just don't 128 00:04:38,050 --> 00:04:36,210 exist so then why is it that these small 129 00:04:39,550 --> 00:04:38,060 planets don't have atmospheres 130 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:39,560 these stick proto atmospheres while 131 00:04:43,870 --> 00:04:41,030 these larger mass planets are able to 132 00:04:45,550 --> 00:04:43,880 retain those and so one way that that 133 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:45,560 we've found that can explain that is 134 00:04:50,170 --> 00:04:47,690 through atmospheric escape via 135 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:50,180 hydrodynamic escape and so hydrodynamic 136 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:52,010 escape is a pressure driven thermal loss 137 00:04:55,090 --> 00:04:53,690 process where your atmosphere becomes 138 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:55,100 heated and in this case we're 139 00:04:59,950 --> 00:04:57,710 considering heating by XUV where the XUV 140 00:05:01,690 --> 00:04:59,960 is x-ray and UV photons from the host 141 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:01,700 star so that comes in and heats the 142 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:03,410 atmosphere of your planet the atmosphere 143 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:05,360 starts to expand and it expands so 144 00:05:09,010 --> 00:05:06,800 rapidly that the atmosphere just sort of 145 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:09,020 puffs off into space so you can remove 146 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:10,910 the entire proto atmosphere from small 147 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:13,490 planets very quickly via this process on 148 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:15,410 timescales of just a few million years I 149 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:17,870 borrowed a an animation of this from the 150 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:20,000 LPO where you can see this hydrodynamic 151 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:22,250 escape happening to a planet orbiting a 152 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:23,930 sun-like star and what you're seeing 153 00:05:27,910 --> 00:05:25,730 with that light blue that's atmosphere 154 00:05:29,380 --> 00:05:27,920 being blown off from the star and this 155 00:05:31,150 --> 00:05:29,390 is similar to what happens on comets 156 00:05:32,860 --> 00:05:31,160 that enter the inner solar system where 157 00:05:35,050 --> 00:05:32,870 they shed mass to remain an energy 158 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:35,060 balance so we took the equations that 159 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:38,150 describe this hydrodynamic escape and we 160 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:40,730 put together a simple energy limited 161 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:42,890 hydrodynamic escape model where we 162 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:44,330 assumed that all these rocky planets are 163 00:05:47,530 --> 00:05:45,530 forming with those stick proto 164 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:47,540 atmospheres and we put them very close 165 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:50,060 to a sun-like star at point 1 au and 166 00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:51,290 we're putting them close in since the 167 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:52,670 goal is to figure out how big a rocky 168 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:56,330 planet can be and sort of what will what 169 00:05:59,260 --> 00:05:57,530 will it take to evolve it to a rocky 170 00:06:00,910 --> 00:05:59,270 planet status and so putting them close 171 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:00,920 in will make them very hot and expose 172 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:03,050 them to a lot of that UV radiation which 173 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:05,090 will drive off their atmosphere then to 174 00:06:08,860 --> 00:06:07,190 calculate the loss rate from the planet 175 00:06:10,690 --> 00:06:08,870 we have to specify 7 model parameters 176 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:10,700 which are shown in this table which 177 00:06:16,540 --> 00:06:14,270 specify the temperature the XUV flux the 178 00:06:18,370 --> 00:06:16,550 initial atmospheric mass fraction we 179 00:06:19,630 --> 00:06:18,380 need to know the escape efficiency which 180 00:06:21,850 --> 00:06:19,640 you can think of as just being the 181 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:21,860 fraction of that incoming x UV radiation 182 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:23,810 that goes into driving the atmospheric 183 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:26,090 escape then the pressure at the base of 184 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:28,370 the thermosphere is where that X UV 185 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:29,690 radiation is absorbed in the atmosphere 186 00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:31,760 you need to know the specific gas 187 00:06:34,690 --> 00:06:33,350 constant for the atmosphere which you 188 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:34,700 can think of as just telling you how 189 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:37,280 light the atmosphere is and then the XUV 190 00:06:41,170 --> 00:06:39,560 saturation time and so the XUV 191 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:41,180 saturation time is the period during 192 00:06:46,030 --> 00:06:43,820 which the host star remains at a peak 193 00:06:47,710 --> 00:06:46,040 XUV emissions and so forth unlike stars 194 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:47,720 this is about a hundred million years 195 00:06:52,250 --> 00:06:50,630 and so during that time the XUV flux is 196 00:06:54,410 --> 00:06:52,260 maximal and then after 197 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:54,420 of that period it dips off exponentially 198 00:07:00,080 --> 00:06:56,520 so most of the mass loss is going to 199 00:07:01,550 --> 00:07:00,090 occur during this time so we can select 200 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:01,560 from the you know these seven parameters 201 00:07:04,460 --> 00:07:03,120 for our model and if we run it we 202 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:04,470 generate something that looks like this 203 00:07:08,810 --> 00:07:06,240 so we're seeing here again as the mass 204 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:08,820 versus radius and this - contour here 205 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:11,130 represents an earthlike density so any 206 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:13,050 planet that falls below that is a rocky 207 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:16,020 planet and any planet above it is a low 208 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:17,460 density planet that we would consider 209 00:07:21,860 --> 00:07:20,250 guest enveloped and so we see here is 210 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:21,870 that the small mass planets very quickly 211 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:23,790 lose their atmospheres and fall below 212 00:07:27,620 --> 00:07:25,890 this line well the larger mass planets 213 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:27,630 are able to retain them for extended 214 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:30,510 periods and this is dependent on what 215 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:32,610 parameters we select from that table so 216 00:07:36,410 --> 00:07:34,650 we took our model and we ran it for 217 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:36,420 10000 parameter combinations and 218 00:07:39,980 --> 00:07:38,250 calculated where that cutoff between 219 00:07:41,690 --> 00:07:39,990 those rocky and gas envelope planets 220 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:41,700 occurred and so that's what we see in 221 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:44,310 this histogram here and so the mean for 222 00:07:50,630 --> 00:07:47,490 our model is that this 1.6 1.7 Earth 223 00:07:52,370 --> 00:07:50,640 radii with the error bar showing the 1 224 00:07:54,590 --> 00:07:52,380 sigma confidence interval on that 225 00:07:56,660 --> 00:07:54,600 calculation the red dot is from the 226 00:07:59,750 --> 00:07:56,670 Rogers at all 2015 paper where they 227 00:08:01,460 --> 00:07:59,760 looked at exoplanet data and found that 228 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:01,470 there was a transition between rocky and 229 00:08:06,530 --> 00:08:03,870 gas and below planets at about 1.6 Earth 230 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:06,540 radii was there 95% confidence interval 231 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:08,610 on that measurement so what we see here 232 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:10,080 is that there's this strong agreement 233 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:11,310 between what our simple model would 234 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:12,570 predict for the cutoff between rocky 235 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:14,730 planets and what actually observed in 236 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:18,240 the exoplanet data and just if we look 237 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:20,850 back in at the end of data here again we 238 00:08:26,090 --> 00:08:22,530 can see that it does agree right around 239 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:26,100 that 1.6 1.7 cutoff and just to give 240 00:08:28,700 --> 00:08:27,360 this a little bit of context of why this 241 00:08:30,590 --> 00:08:28,710 is important and why we should care 242 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:30,600 about these rocky planet sizes well 243 00:08:33,469 --> 00:08:32,010 rocky planets can be habitable so it's 244 00:08:35,690 --> 00:08:33,479 interesting just to know how big they 245 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:35,700 could possibly be and it's also helpful 246 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:37,620 for future observations since we often 247 00:08:41,810 --> 00:08:39,210 detect exoplanets through a transit 248 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:41,820 which is shown on this cartoon here and 249 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:43,110 the thing that you measure in that is 250 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:44,670 often the dip in the planet the 251 00:08:48,410 --> 00:08:46,110 Starlight as the planet passes in front 252 00:08:51,050 --> 00:08:48,420 and the amount of solid that's blocked 253 00:08:52,460 --> 00:08:51,060 tells you of the radius of the planet so 254 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:52,470 often that's all you'll know is just the 255 00:08:54,890 --> 00:08:53,760 radius so being able to determine 256 00:08:57,380 --> 00:08:54,900 whether or not a planet is worthy of 257 00:08:58,610 --> 00:08:57,390 follow-up studies could be helped in 258 00:09:01,580 --> 00:08:58,620 this manner of looking for earth-like 259 00:09:03,430 --> 00:09:01,590 planets so put up a summary and take any 260 00:09:10,180 --> 00:09:03,440 questions thank you 261 00:09:11,530 --> 00:09:10,190 I think we have lots of time for 262 00:09:15,249 --> 00:09:11,540 questions so please come up to the 263 00:09:17,259 --> 00:09:15,259 microphone if you have questions thanks 264 00:09:19,540 --> 00:09:17,269 that I talk that are really interesting 265 00:09:21,429 --> 00:09:19,550 I'm going to ask you the question that 266 00:09:25,329 --> 00:09:21,439 is not supposed to be asked which is 267 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:25,339 what about magnetic fields because what 268 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:28,250 I mean is that they're the atmospheric 269 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:30,529 loss from pressure because I noticed a 270 00:09:34,689 --> 00:09:32,120 lot of your plots are as a function of 271 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:34,699 radius mass but not there's a function 272 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:37,730 of distance or insulation flux and I 273 00:09:41,949 --> 00:09:39,800 would imagine that under many 274 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:41,959 circumstances the the atmospheric loss 275 00:09:51,809 --> 00:09:46,490 from from the from the stellar winds 276 00:09:53,949 --> 00:09:51,819 will be larger than that from the XUV 277 00:09:56,139 --> 00:09:53,959 processes if the stellar wind could be 278 00:09:58,150 --> 00:09:56,149 could be very effective especially these 279 00:09:59,230 --> 00:09:58,160 close distances distances and that's not 280 00:10:01,749 --> 00:09:59,240 something that we've put into the model 281 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:01,759 although if it became sufficiently rapid 282 00:10:04,509 --> 00:10:03,529 than you'd be removing materials so 283 00:10:06,939 --> 00:10:04,519 quickly that it would actually be a 284 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:06,949 hydrodynamic eventually you sort of 285 00:10:11,230 --> 00:10:08,230 reach that cutoff if you were removing 286 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:11,240 material so quickly so I'm not sure how 287 00:10:15,309 --> 00:10:13,370 exactly adding magnetic fields in would 288 00:10:16,509 --> 00:10:15,319 impact our model I imagine you may slow 289 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:16,519 down a little bit and that's definitely 290 00:10:19,689 --> 00:10:18,170 an area for future research but it's not 291 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:19,699 included at all in this model which 292 00:10:24,460 --> 00:10:21,250 we're just looking at the energy limited 293 00:10:25,749 --> 00:10:24,470 for thermally driven escape but that 294 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:25,759 it's very of an excellent point and we 295 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:27,769 did only look at one orbital distance we 296 00:10:31,210 --> 00:10:29,810 put them at that point one au which is 297 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:31,220 sort of an inner limit where you can 298 00:10:35,019 --> 00:10:32,810 have a hydrostatic rebound lower 299 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:35,029 atmosphere for these planets around 300 00:10:40,990 --> 00:10:38,930 sun-like stars okay thanks yeah there 301 00:10:43,329 --> 00:10:41,000 you go in a nice talk I was just 302 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:43,339 wondering if you've tested how sensitive 303 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:46,490 your results are at the exact escape 304 00:10:50,139 --> 00:10:48,649 efficiency that you assumed and if you 305 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:50,149 assume some kind of prior and notice the 306 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:52,160 range is like point one to point six for 307 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:55,250 a de to do something like a flat prior 308 00:10:59,439 --> 00:10:56,990 did you play around with it I'm just 309 00:11:03,009 --> 00:10:59,449 wondering aside what we just significant 310 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:03,019 it is a linear dependence on what we 311 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:04,610 assumed for that escape efficiency and 312 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:05,870 so we just looked at a uniform 313 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:08,569 distribution across that which there's 314 00:11:11,829 --> 00:11:09,769 probably a better distribution to 315 00:11:13,809 --> 00:11:11,839 consider when looking at escape but for 316 00:11:16,319 --> 00:11:13,819 this model it was just uniform and so 317 00:11:19,590 --> 00:11:16,329 the linear dependence on that with 318 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:19,600 and yeah I think that there are papers 319 00:11:25,850 --> 00:11:22,290 showing that for the Kepler population 320 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:25,860 something like point one matches the 321 00:11:29,729 --> 00:11:27,790 population at the population level 322 00:11:31,859 --> 00:11:29,739 median Valley point one matches it so I 323 00:11:34,769 --> 00:11:31,869 wonder if that would make your histogram 324 00:11:36,629 --> 00:11:34,779 even more consistent with the Rogers 325 00:11:42,239 --> 00:11:36,639 video when I play around with that thank 326 00:11:45,509 --> 00:11:42,249 you what about impacts knocking off the 327 00:11:48,329 --> 00:11:45,519 atmosphere climate ID hits the planet 328 00:11:49,889 --> 00:11:48,339 and blows the whole atmosphere away yes 329 00:11:51,239 --> 00:11:49,899 so that it could definitely happen if 330 00:11:52,829 --> 00:11:51,249 you had two planets collide you could 331 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:52,839 probably remove an atmosphere very 332 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:54,790 quickly impacts do tend to be less 333 00:11:58,889 --> 00:11:56,769 important for the larger mass planet so 334 00:12:01,769 --> 00:11:58,899 by the time you reach six to seven Earth 335 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:01,779 masses it seems less likely that you 336 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:03,040 could have impacts that are removing the 337 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:05,230 entire atmosphere so then this 338 00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:06,730 hydrodynamic escape becomes more 339 00:12:09,809 --> 00:12:08,049 important which is where we see sort of 340 00:12:11,669 --> 00:12:09,819 that final cut off but for those lower 341 00:12:12,989 --> 00:12:11,679 mass planets especially then having 342 00:12:19,079 --> 00:12:12,999 impacts could remove your atmosphere 343 00:12:22,109 --> 00:12:19,089 very quickly thanks great awk I think 344 00:12:24,239 --> 00:12:22,119 there it seems parent that this is sort 345 00:12:26,549 --> 00:12:24,249 of an upper limit as in there are many 346 00:12:27,989 --> 00:12:26,559 other ways to remove atmospheres but I'm 347 00:12:30,419 --> 00:12:27,999 actually more interested in the other 348 00:12:33,359 --> 00:12:30,429 question is a number of the planets that 349 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:33,369 are quite low mass seem to have very 350 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:35,169 puffy atmospheres I mean a number of 351 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:36,850 them that have been detected clearly 352 00:12:41,369 --> 00:12:39,100 within the error bars fit above that 353 00:12:42,809 --> 00:12:41,379 range not all I mean it's only a few but 354 00:12:45,329 --> 00:12:42,819 I guess have you guys thought about ways 355 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:45,339 to actually preserve even for low-mass 356 00:12:50,579 --> 00:12:48,910 planets that puffy atmosphere actually 357 00:12:52,229 --> 00:12:50,589 we haven't looked at how to preserve 358 00:12:53,669 --> 00:12:52,239 those atmospheres at this point and what 359 00:12:54,749 --> 00:12:53,679 actually motivated this work was looking 360 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:54,759 at some of those very low-mass planets 361 00:12:58,319 --> 00:12:56,470 and trying to figure out why they still 362 00:13:00,109 --> 00:12:58,329 had atmospheres since some of them have 363 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:00,119 densities you know that are less than 364 00:13:04,019 --> 00:13:02,350 point zero five grams per cubic 365 00:13:05,939 --> 00:13:04,029 centimeter or something I'm from these 366 00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:05,949 planets so we're trying to model 367 00:13:09,749 --> 00:13:07,839 initially how those plans could have 368 00:13:11,009 --> 00:13:09,759 atmospheres and that's what we ended up 369 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:11,019 with these escape models that are 370 00:13:14,369 --> 00:13:12,610 showing this cutoff between the rocky 371 00:13:15,239 --> 00:13:14,379 and gas envelope worlds but that's a 372 00:13:16,769 --> 00:13:15,249 really good question that I think 373 00:13:18,659 --> 00:13:16,779 definitely deserves future study is how 374 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:18,669 you can have these really low density 375 00:13:21,770 --> 00:13:19,929 low-mass planets that are retaining 376 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:21,780 their thick atmospheres 377 00:13:29,070 --> 00:13:26,770 do we have so following up on obvious 378 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:29,080 question does that preservation of 379 00:13:34,530 --> 00:13:32,170 atmosphere depend upon the age of the 380 00:13:36,030 --> 00:13:34,540 star or radio system because it takes up 381 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:36,040 100 million years for you to remove 382 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:38,680 atmosphere right right so it does depend 383 00:13:42,540 --> 00:13:40,210 on the age of the stars so we're using 384 00:13:45,390 --> 00:13:42,550 the XUV flux which on these sun-like 385 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:45,400 stars is really in that peak for about a 386 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:46,960 hundred million years and after that 387 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:48,880 it's going to drop off exponentially so 388 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:50,650 your your mass whilst driven by that 389 00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:52,480 flux is going to drop off with it so if 390 00:13:55,530 --> 00:13:53,920 a planet were to form further out and 391 00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:55,540 migrated inwards after that that 392 00:13:59,070 --> 00:13:57,280 actually be saturation then it would 393 00:14:01,290 --> 00:13:59,080 definitely not be subjected to the same 394 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:01,300 level of mass loss and that's something 395 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:03,310 that we could consider in this model as 396 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:04,720 well in the future